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you are indeed correct 38400 baud, it turned out it didn't get on with the terminal program i was using ended up using the serial monitor in the arduino ide and got it working, have also been able to get it to pair up with my lm048 bluetooth adaptor already so hopefully should have a bluetooth seria...

iv put the device in to command mode but don't seem to get a response from it, i have tried different baud rates i get a jumbled response to the AT+VERSION? command if i set it to 128000 but i don't seem to get any reply to just 'AT' on any baud i have tried.